How to get it right: Notches & holes in solid timber joists

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Notches and holes in solid timber joists

When installing pipework or cabling, floor or ceiling joists may need to be notched or drilled. But this could weaken the floor to such an extent that it becomes structurally unsound.

To find out if this might be the case, you can find guidance on notches and holes in solid timber joists for use in domestic properties in section 3.2.2 of Eurocode 5 published by BM TRADA.

The diagrams and tables below illustrate the zones and sizes permissible for differing spans and joist depths.

Notches and holes in sold timber joists - diagram 1Notches and holes in solid timber joists

 

Span of timber Hole locations between Notching locations between
mm 0.25 of span 0.4 of span 0.07 of span 0.25 of span
2000 500 800 140 500
2500 625 1000 175 625
3000 750 1200 210 750
3500 875 1400 245 875
4000 1000 1600 280 1000
4500 1125 1800 315 1125

 

Depth of timber Max hole diameter Max notch depth
mm 0.25 x depth mm 0.125 x depth mm
100 25.0 12.5
125 31.3 15.6
150 37.5 18.8
175 43.8 21.9
200 50.0 25.0
225 56.3 28.1
250 62.5 31.3
275 65 (max) 34.4
300 65 (max) 35 (max)

Key points for notches and holes

Before you start work check that the joist size is adequate for the span.

Notches can only be made in the top OR bottom of the joists, (not both) within the permitted area to a maximum of 35mm.

Holes may only be made on the joist's centreline within the permitted area to a maximum diameter of 65mm.

Additional holes must be at least three diameters (centre to centre) apart.

Single/multiple timber structural beams, rafters, purlins and binders must never be notched or drilled without calculations to justify the remaining timber. Rafters may be birdsmouthed by no more than 1/3rd of the depth.

This guidance does not apply to engineered joists e.g. JJI joists and reference should be made to specific product manufacturers instructions.

Further reading

How to get it right: Supporting joists on external walls

 


Please Note: Every care was taken to ensure the information was correct at the time of publication. Any written guidance provided does not replace the user’s professional judgement. It is the responsibility of the dutyholder or person carrying out the work to ensure compliance with relevant building regulations or applicable technical standards.

This article was reviewed and updated on 10 August 2023

Comments

Bath waste pipe

Submitted 2 years 2 months ago

Hi,
I have read the tables above and have floor joists bigger enough to run a 40mm waste through.
The question is can I vary the position of the holes slightly to get a fall on it?

LABC Response

Submitted 2 years 2 months ago

Hi,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately LABC is unable to provide advice outside the scope of the BM TRADA guidance, therefore we recommend that you seek independent professional advice from a competent structural engineer prior to commencing works.

Kind regards,
LABC

Trimming Joist holes

Submitted 1 year 10 months ago

Can the information for holes in joists be used for "trimmer joists" or will a Structural Engineer need to calculate and prove their integrity?

LABC response

Submitted 1 year 10 months ago

Hi,

Thank you for your comment. The advice relates to floor and ceiling joists only and as such any trimming joists are considered as beams and so they may have additional point loads to take into account and therefore you should check with these your structural engineer.

Best,
LABC team

Notches should be banned.

Submitted 1 year 2 months ago

The last few jobs I've done in Bristol have all had a thousand heating, gas and water feed pipes touching the bottom of the chip board flooring with no warnings, this creates an absolute nightmare for me as a chippy, luckily I've only gone through a couple of flow and return pipes in my 25 years in the trade and I know what I'm doing with plumbing, but seriously this needs to be amended to only allow centre holes as I've heard many horror stories about gas pipes being cut with Skillsaw, or a drywall screw puncturing a full pressure water pipe.

Joists cut deeper than recommendation

Submitted 1 year 1 month ago

Hello, a gas engineer has cut a 50mm deep notch into 10 of our floor joists to accommodate a 22mm pipe! The joists are 200mm deep so the notches should be 25mm. They're suggesting that they come round to support the joists with some 2x4 and that should solve any issues. Please could you point me in the direction of what regulations say about how a repair should be made to joists in this event? I can't imagine it's as simple as nailing some 2x4 to them and I don't trust them! Thank you!

LABC Response

Submitted 1 year ago

Hi,

Thank you for your enquiry, the regulations do not specify how to carry out the repair you describe. The repair should be designed by a suitably competent person for that element of work (structural performance). We recommend that you contact the Gas Safe register at Report Gas Work Concerns - Gas Safe Register and explain your situation.

Best,
LABC Team

distance between holes in joist

Submitted 1 year ago

HI, there seems some conflicting information on distance between holes in joists, some say minimum of 3 times the diameter centre to centre and others say mimimumof 3 times the diameter.. So if you have a 20mm hole should the next be 60mm away edge of hole to edge of hole or 60mm away from centre of first hole to centre of second hole? thanks for your advice in advance

LABC Response

Submitted 1 year ago

Hi,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Our article confirms that for domestic properties with solid timber joists ( not any other form of joist or beam) you should refer to section 3.2.2 of Eurocode 5, this confirms that the diameter of holes are measured centre to centre.

Best,
LABC Team

Shower waste

Submitted 1 year ago

I am installing a en-suite shower and would like to install a low level shower tray on the floor. A plumber has recommended installing a 50mm waste to be run through holes cut in the floor joists (size 200mm x 75mm). The floor joist are supported below by a wall and the proposal is to cut the holes directly above the supporting wall below. Thanks in advance

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